Problem Cocking T10

[alongyea]

I have only recently bought a Scorpion T10 and have been very happy with it. The cocking has been very smooth up until today.

As I push the bolt forward to push the pellet in to the breach it appears to catch on the magazine, but not all the time. I have also tried the magazine without pellets and I get the same. I think this started happening when a slightly deformed pellet was used by accident, it was hard to push the pellet into the breach. At least I think it might have been a deformed pellet as I noticed there we some other ones with deformed skirts in the tin.

The magazine looks fine and indexes without an issue, nothings looks bent and it has only had 500ish pellets through the gun.

I have also noticed the zero appears to have moved to the right, not sure if this is just a coincidence or if they are related.

Has anyone had a similar issue and could a pellet with a deformed skirt do this or is it just an issue with the magazine.

Thanks

Andy

[tench]

I think a pellet would be too soft to any damage to the probe or mag, try putting some moly or silicon grease on the probe and mag o rings, it is probably dry o rings that are making it feel wrong.

Cheers Simon.

[alongyea]

Thanks, I'll give that a try and let you know.

Andy

[Accuspell]

Or the indexing pin not locating...as on mine. The trigger bar was bent, because it is soft and crap. It would never index again in its life unless takne out and either bent back into shape, or replaced, preferably with a hardened part.

About as much use as a chocolate fireguard. I have had 2 of these, both as bad as each other. Utter junk. BUT, I have taken them both to John  Bowkett, so I expect them to come back working as they should from the factory....

[Geriatrix]

Or the indexing pin not locating...as on mine. The trigger bar was bent, because it is soft and crap. It would never index again in its life unless takne out and either bent back into shape, or replaced, preferably with a hardened part.

Sorry , I may be thick ...

How did you manage to bend it ?

If they work as they should I dont know how it could get bent

[Accuspell]

It went back to BSA for the leaky air to be stopped (from 190 bar to 40 overnight)....after less than one tin of pellets. A second brand new Scorpion did the same thing within 200 pellets....I sent the first back to BSA, it was returned and the trigger wouldn't work, it was about a 4 stage trigger when it came back and wouldn't even release the sear. I gave up with warranty and took both to JB yesterday....he took the first one from BSA out of the stock, exactly as it had come back from their workshop...it was bent.

SO, you tell me how it got bent. The threaded adjuster for index adjustment wasn't even bearing on the indexing pin in the barrel section at any stage of the pull or bolt....it was waggling into thin air. How did it get bent? Yuri Geller was visting BSA the day they were working on it maybe?

I am sure when JB has finished breathing on them they will both be perfect and work as they should....shame they can't do it straight from the factory. The trigger on the second one is lovely, good first stage, positive stop then a light but crisp let off.....posts excellent groups at 40 yards too. About the size of a 5p, so that will do me. Off the ground on a rolled up coat. Nothing fancy like a proper bench rest or anything. easy to judge the drop on it too, out to 45 yards anyway. being light and compact it fits my lad perfectly, hence the reason for getting a second gun - and why I want to persevere with them. Everyone who has one that works well raves about how good they are, and there is no smoke without fire. So there is some performance in there somwhere.

[Geriatrix]

I can accept that it was bent by "some one" at BSA .

I love mine , & have had some great service from BSA a couple of years ago .

But lately   I wish they would'nt tell porkies !!!

[alongyea]

Thanks for the comments and suggestions.

After being able to get out to my local airgun club last weekend nothing looked bent or broken and the magazine appeared to be operating correctly out of the gun.

However I was able to compare my magazine with another one and although it appeared OK, forcing the deformed pellet had just splayed front face, not by much and only really noticeable in a side to side comparison. Squeezing it back together with my fingers appears to have solved the issue, it is still not as good as it was from new but it is not catching any more and feebing pellets OK. I think a new magazine is in order.

So the moral is that I have just had an expensive lesson in why you should not use deformed pellets in the magazine or gun.

Any ideas where I can get a new magazine from as BSA can't supply them at the moment due to demand and the local gun shops don't appear to have any.

Thanks

Andy   

[Geriatrix]

I called BSA in October for a new magazine & was told that they were supplying RFDs first, before the public.

My original one clips a pellet every now & then.

I then asked my RFD to order me 2 new mags ( back last year in October ) .

Last week , I went in & asked him to cancell the order, every week he has called BSA & was told the same story , they'll be with you by tuesday ?

Why are BSA suddenly being deceptive ? >

I cut the front plate bigger, but it did'nt help.
The actual drum that holds the pellets is not made accurately enough, some of the teeth are out of sync with the pellet holes , so as long as that is the case, the probe will always clip a pellet when loading. The feeding of the actual mag is perfect, but when indexed, the drum is out of alignment with the barrel ... >

I made myself a single shot tray , a bit of a fiddle to get a pellet perfectly aligned , but no damaged & clipped pellets any more .

Still , I'd really like a decent magazine again .

[El Caro]

Or the indexing pin not locating...as on mine. The trigger bar was bent, because it is soft and crap. It would never index again in its life unless takne out and either bent back into shape, or replaced, preferably with a hardened part.

About as much use as a chocolate fireguard. I have had 2 of these, both as bad as each other. Utter junk. BUT, I have taken them both to John  Bowkett, so I expect them to come back working as they should from the factory....

I visited JB yesterday and showed him a copy of your post. A few facts. This is what he said. The trigger bar was not bent. It is neither soft nor crap. It is made from a metal injection moulding which is drilled and tapped for the adjuster screws and pivot after which it is heat treated to harden the outer shell whch is standard practice with sear/trigger components. What had happened was after the leak was fixed the trigger was incorrectly assembled with the magazine aduster to one side of the indexing pin instead of bearing on top of it as the main pivot was put back in. This resulted in the indexing pin being jammed upwards against the magazine. He then told me that removing the pivot pin and replacing the part correctly  restored the rifle to perfect working order. It should have been final checked before being sent back to you but for some reason was not.