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mick.c

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R10 Mags
« on: September 20, 2016, 11:11:12 PM »

Will a new R10 mag fit a S10 if not what wants doing to it to make it fit....cheers

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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2016, 11:13:14 PM »

No, they need a notch filing in to clear the index mechanism in the S10.
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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2016, 08:00:47 AM »

The very latest mags have a formed recess (cut out) to miss the S10 indexing set up.
The new mags are self indexing.
If you know your stuff you could remove the extra bits required for the indexing, and this should make cocking a little better (smoother).
I've just updated my Scorpion T10 Mag, but did not remove the indexing linkage. the new mag does seem a lot more robust, and consistant with shot count on the drum of the mag.
I hope this helps.

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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2016, 07:36:23 PM »

Tom says yes and Nigel says no....can Nigel put pics up of the latest mags .....cheers

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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2016, 07:53:14 PM »

OK, latest mags from JKnibbs:
http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/12887/BSA-SuperTEN-.177-Magazine/
Notice that this is identified as "Latest BSA mag nodified to work with S10 and Goldstar".
The latest general fit plastic rotor BSA mags don't have the notch and hence won't work with a SuperTen:
http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/6569/BSA-.22-New-Magazine/
Note Knibbsy has called it a plastic rota magazine.  :wink: I wonder if they have a "Staff rotor" pinned up in the office?  :hee20hee20hee:
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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2016, 07:58:45 PM »

The very latest mags have a formed recess (cut out) to miss the S10 indexing set up.
The new mags are self indexing.
If you know your stuff you could remove the extra bits required for the indexing, and this should make cocking a little better (smoother).
I've just updated my Scorpion T10 Mag, but did not remove the indexing linkage. the new mag does seem a lot more robust, and consistant with shot count on the drum of the mag.
I hope this helps.

Kind regards
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Now Nigel is probably thinking the aluminium rotor magazine is the latest, BSA produced these with the notch after the first production run which didn't have a notch. There may still be some of the non-notched aluminium rotor mags around on dealers shelves but they will be pretty old stock by now. The plastic rotor is BSA's latest contribution to the confusion and for some reason they've contributed to further confusion regards fit and interchangeability. The notched mags will work in ANY gun, indexed or not, the S10 and old underlever Goldstar springer need an indexing mag or a notched non-indexing mag.
Clear as mud innit?
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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2016, 08:08:12 PM »

Note Knibbsy has called it a plastic rota magazine.  :wink: I wonder if they have a "Staff rotor" pinned up in the office?

Hahaha good one Tom....right that's that cleared up do you know who if anybody sells the rotors on their own or even side plates for the old mags.....cheers

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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2016, 08:33:18 PM »

I've seen somewhere that sell spares for the mags but for the life of me I can't remember where if anyone has a link or website they can sell me to it would be appreciated....cheers

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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2016, 08:53:28 PM »

I have a few assorted scraps I re-cycle when servicing customers mags but teh wear and tear parts are often scrapped as they wear out. I keep any useable parts from damaged mags if irrepairable otherwise. As you may understand I don't sell these parts, it's not worth selling them as it's a valuable service for customers. I don't know of anyone who sells mag parts apart from Knibbsy who sells springs but no other parts I'm aware of.
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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2016, 08:12:57 AM »

mick.c

I did not say the latest mag does not work on the S10.
I pointed out that I had updated My Scorpion T10 which needed the indexing pin movement into the mag for the mag to index, (this was done via the trigger being pulled fully back).
The new Mag, I don't need to pull the trigger fully back to start the indexing process of the mag.
I have to buy a new Mag for my S10 in .22, as the original is worn and skips index locations.
Quick Q for everyone, where is the cheapest place to buy the new mag that fits all, PS I bought the mag for the T10 from Mooredges airguns of Thorne (South Yorks) for nearly 45 quid.
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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2016, 12:17:29 PM »

So are the mag springs only available from Knibbs, at £6-50 with postage quite a lot I reckon, but needs must...
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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2016, 08:11:27 AM »

That sounds like bend over the barrel with you trousers and undergarments down.
bite onto the wood, it will hurt, but you must take the pain......
OMG 6.50 for that.........
where the mask and black bess!!!! 
Robbing......
its only my opinion.........
Gee back in the day i'm sure a S10 only cost £12 lol PMSL.
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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2016, 11:16:42 AM »

Really  ? ??? You think so .
You expect them to run a business and pay wages etc .by selling items for 20 p
How many mag spring do you think they sell a year .?
5 ? Possibly 6 ?
So that would make em £1.20 .
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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2016, 11:48:43 AM »

There is also the cost of the zip seal bag and the ink to write the part number on it. Along with the pittance wages for the store keeper and the stock picker to pay...
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Re: R10 Mags
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2016, 08:11:34 AM »

Being a manufacturing engineer / Industrial engineer, I do under stand MOST machining / forming / grinding, heat treatment, and assembly processes, knowing the processes allows me to set out the product flow, and balance the processes where possible into cells to reduce costs.
Knowing how long each process take allows me to cost the products at the various stages and come up with a total cost.
I just believe 6.50 for a small spring is excessive, and the majority of that cost is in knibbs pocket.
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I don't mind paying for good service and skills, that's why my best toys are sent out for tuning. (PCP only)
I don't mind doing the Springer's myself and sit in on winter nights polishing / lapping  up everything from the trigger sears to cylinders.
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But I don't like having my leg lifted, and at 6.50 I'd feel as though I'd been done!
However, if you don't have a choice - Bite that lump of wood, and it might leave you a bitter taste in you mouth.

As RancidTom nicely points out he salvages what he can when he can, and his customers benefit from this and he does not charge for items he has salvaged and put to use. Nice to see someone willing to put the customer 1st and go the extra mile.

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Nigel.
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