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StevieG123

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New BSA Defiant
« on: February 12, 2018, 04:28:07 PM »

Hi All,

Just checked on facebook and it looks like BSA are launching a new gun "The Defiant" at the British Shooting Show this weekend.
Anyone have any idea?

Steve
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 06:55:18 PM »

Hi All,

Just checked on facebook and it looks like BSA are launching a new gun "The Defiant" at the British Shooting Show this weekend.
Anyone have any idea?

Steve


i think it's Bullpup
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2018, 03:24:22 PM »

Indeed it is a dullpup, I'm frankly underwhelmed. Looks like it has a Goldstar regulator fitted, I can't see much more from the facebook pics, at least it's not got "behind the ear" cocking.
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2018, 08:59:02 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=94&v=BiiqHOrcdgY

I'd say there's a standard breech under that polymer thingie. A pushrod to operate the probe goes inside the polymer cheekpiece. If they left the barrel free floating and managed to make a good trigger, then that should be a rather good bullpup. It would actually be interesting to see how much they copied from Huub's and my bullpup designs.
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2018, 10:44:47 PM »

Its not my cup of tea, although im not really into bullpup's - and if i was i think that i would choose the fx wildcat over the defiant tbh.
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 07:41:38 AM »

Further goggling of that video revealed that the pup is built around BSA/Gamo (Buccaneer/Coyote) action  :sign0135:
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2018, 09:55:20 AM »

From my experience the only differences betweek the Scorpion & Buccaneer platforms are the Scorpion has: better trigger, smoother cocking & the breech looks nicer. From the video he said that the trigger and cocking were great and you cannot see the breech under the cheek piece. I'm looking forward to handling one!
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2018, 11:40:21 AM »

Further goggling of that video revealed that the pup is built around BSA/Gamo (Buccaneer/Coyote) action  :sign0135:
With a Gamo plastic trigger.
Oh dear me.
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2018, 01:30:09 PM »

From my experience the only differences betweek the Scorpion & Buccaneer platforms are the Scorpion has: better trigger, smoother cocking & the breech looks nicer. From the video he said that the trigger and cocking were great and you cannot see the breech under the cheek piece. I'm looking forward to handling one!

This is the BSA/Gamo, magazine stop plate and that screw on the side of the firing valve block tell the tale:


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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2018, 01:37:38 PM »

With a Gamo plastic trigger.
Oh dear me.

Tom, have you been inside any of those Ultra XLs? Do they also use the Gamo GRT/GTX (or whatever it was) trigger unit?
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2018, 05:28:43 PM »

Yes, sadly it is indeed the horrible plastic Gamo "GRT" type trigger as found on the Ultra XL's and similar (just no anti-beartrap link) to the Lightning XL/GRT.
It will obviously have some sort of linkage I would hazard a guess that it will be a simple bent piano wire type connection, to the trigger blade, so add the extra flex from the link wires and play in the pivot points to the already indistinct operation of the GRT trigger unit. Rgearding this GRT trigger unit, how anyone can say that it is "great" beats me, it's not even average. It may be better than some awful Chinese guns but to me they are absolutely awful. OK they're cheap to make, and Gamo are knocking them out by the thousands for their various PCP's and springer but that only makes them good to the accounts department in Barcelona.
Also they use the latest Gamo sourced fill valve and pressure gauge assembly. I am finding myself repairing these far too often and it's a matter of their plastic moulded valve insert failing to seal. It's nto an O ring that can be replaced for pennies, it's a new plastic moulding every time. Again Gamo are knocking them out by the thousands and it is quite obvious that they are cheaper than a brass plunger with an O ring seal. Victory for the bean counters, more profit for the owners and poor reliability for the customer.
As regards the regulator, it's the same as is fitted to the Goldstar, however when this regulator fails you can replace the O ring seals but not the actual regulator valve seat. BSA/Gamo are not making this part available seperately so it will be down to third parties to make replacement parts, or to fit an alternative regulator if you don't want to pay the £145 plus P&P for the replacement from BSA/Gamo (the price listed by J.Knibbs for a Goldstar SE regulator unit).
Now this is purely my opinion and a tale of my experiences regards the components which are obviously fitted to these guns. Draw your own conclusions but I reserve the right to have my opinion. Looks like I'll never be on BSA's xmas card list!
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Re: New BSA Defiant
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2018, 09:55:36 AM »

Thanks Tom, that was good information. I do have one gamo springer with CDT trigger blade and it is still not good IMO. As far as the linkage goes you can use an almost straight 4mm bar in non SE BSAs (as found in Huub Vikings), that does not bend as the forces needed are quite small in smallbore guns. Not as good as a trigger without the linkage but quite acceptable.
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